NDFA (non) Endorsement

by: maven

Fri Feb 06, 2009 at 09:49:54 AM CST


(550 people came to our forum (with 100+ turned away), so I figure people would be interested to know how our members voted on endorsement. - promoted by Jim in Chicago)

NDFA held its regular monthly meeting last night (normally 1st Thursdays of the month) and discussed the 5th Congressional Special Election, and the thorny topic of whether we would endorse a candidate.  No endorsement was made, as there was no consensus among our voting members on who was the best candidate in this race.  In order for NDFA to endorse, we need 75% of voting members to vote to endorse a candidate.  

First, what does an NDFA endorsement mean? More than the candidate getting to tout us as endorsers, it means we organize volunteers to go work on the campaign, and generally those who can donate money do so.  But we're all about volunteer work, and putting time in where your mouth is -- so its those volunteer hours that's really important to the campaign's we endorse/adopt (we have two tiers in a normal election cycle, where there are multiple races that we're interested in ... but that's a topic for another day).  Its because we're committing to organizing volunteers, and because we need the volunteers to turn out to be effective in our work for the campaign, that we have such a high threshold for endorsement: our members have to want to work for a candidate, and with their vote implicitly commit themselves to volunteer hours for that candidate.  There's no tally, we don't check up, but if we endorse, we expect a good number of our members to show up to do the good work of the campaign.  

maven :: NDFA (non) Endorsement
Second, who are "voting members?"  Anyone can be a voting member: the criteria is that you attend three meetings and do three campaign activities for an endorsed/adopted candidate within the last 12 months.  At this point, we have somewhere around 48 people who qualify to vote.  We do this because we think the people who actually do the work (i.e., volunteer for campaigns) should get to decide who they want to work for ....

We try to operate by consensus.  We want our members to be passionate about the candidates we agree to work for: and that means listening to our members and talking and arguing our way through the process of endorsing.

What happened last night?  Well, five candidates were nominated by voting members: Jan Donatelli, Sara Feigenholtz, John Fritchey, Tom Geoghegan, and Mike Quigley.  Each candidate had a voting member speak passionately about why they were great candidates, be great in the Congress, have done great things, and why we should support him/her.  On the first round of voting, the following were the results:

Donatelli: 7 Yes, 23 No, 8 Abstain
Feigenholtz: 10 Yes, 22 No, 5 Abstain
Fritchey: 1 Yes, 25 No, 11 Abstain
Geoghegan: 19 Yes 12 No 6 Abstain
Quigley: 14 Yes, 11 No, 12 Abstain

We then had more discussion, and a second round of voting was agreed to, with Mike Quigley and Tom Geoghegan having made the cut into round two.  Again, we had passionate arguments for each candidate, and equally passionate arguments about why NDFA needed to endorse in this race.  The results of the second round were:

Geoghegan: 19 Yes, 13 No, 5 Abstain (59% -- did not meet 75% threshold)
Quigley: 18 Yes, 13 No, 5 Abstain (58% - did not meet 75% threshold)

So, even though our members quite like both Mike Quigley and Tom Geoghegan -- and we heard arguments about viability for both, which candidate has better ideas, which has a proven record of accomplishment -- we couldn't come to agreement to endorse.  People who don't think Mike is the right guy -- or running the right campaign -- really don't want to work for him.  People who feel like Geoghegan is less than inspiring in person, who feel he can't win because he doesn't have name recognition or troops in the district ... really felt strongly.  

So, in the end, we like Mike, and we like Tom, and there will probably be members who work on all five campaigns that were nominated last night.

And anyone who gets to vote in this race for real has a lot of good candidates to choose from, and a difficult decision to make. Who knows?  My personal opinion is that it will be close, and that voters who go to the polls won't make up their minds until the last minute.  

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A note about the voting (4.00 / 2)
A "no" vote did not necessarily mean the voter did not like the candidate, just that he or she did not feel our group should put our imprimatur and resources behind that particular candidate -- usually because the voter felt that another candidate merited our support more. I know that was my thinking in voting "no" on most of these candidates, even though I would not be sorry to see any of them ultimately win the race (as opposed to, say, Pat O'Connor).

Howard Dean in 2016

An interesting question though... (0.00 / 0)
One question came up last night that's worth some thinking about: is it better to endorse two candidates or none?

The merits of backing a single candidate are fairly obvious but the voting rules permit the backing of more than one candidate.  Obviously that would mean two endorsements and splitting of the available resources to support both candidates.  But is that better or worse than no endorsement whatsoever?

Overall it turned into the fodder for a thesis on game theory because some people suggested a bit of horse trading.  That if you were a Quigley supporter you should give Goeghan your support and vice versa so that two candidates could be approved.  But since the voting happens in order, alphabetically, Quigley supporters would have had to vote in support of Tom, then trust that his supporters would do likewise.  So it was a tremendous risk for them to do so because the result might have been a single endorsement, edging out the candidate they supported.  


While I voted for both candidates... (0.00 / 0)
...I was concerned about two different candidates listing "Endorsed by Northside DFA" on their literature. I don't think that would have made us look very good.

I hope it isn't betraying any confidences to say that I believe our group is considering giving activity credit toward voting rights to people who work for either of the favored (but not officially endorsed) campaigns.

Howard Dean in 2016


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fast forwarding (0.00 / 0)
Hey bylaws freaks. Endorsements for the Feb. 2010 (or whenever it's held) primary will be in when -- late November, early December, 2009? By then, who in NDFA will have done any work for endorsed candidates in the previous 12 months? Think about it.

We have been thinking about it (0.00 / 0)
Just FYI. ;)

Howard Dean in 2016

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Yep (0.00 / 0)
We will figure out a way to have voting member activities in the next 12 months: the by-laws do allow the Steering Committee to designate activities as counting toward voting membership.  We haven't figured out what yet :) I'm sure that we'll figure out some way for people to get voting member activities for work in the 5th CD race, for example, though we've yet to figure out how that works exactly.  

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may i suggest two things... (4.00 / 1)
first of all, poll watching (for any campaign or political group) on election day.  if anything untoward happens in a polling place, one of your members is going to report it no matter who they are working for.  if you don't have a copy of an incident report, something will allow us to document wrong-doings on election day, i will be happy to provide y'all with one.

secondly, voter registration.  you could do this a bunch of different ways, including holding a deputy registrar's training as an official function of your group...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting


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That is an excellent idea! (0.00 / 0)
In fact, I suggest that pollwatching at any election count as an activity.  This means that a member could serve as a pollwatcher in the hotly-contested Cicero election on February 24, polwatch again a week later in the March 3 5th District Primary (assuming the corrupt Cicero administration doesn't throw you in jail for trying to end 85 years of corrupt rule there), and then do it for a third time on April 7.

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If that member (0.00 / 0)
could take of work that much in this economic climate.  

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Coverage of the NDFA/IVI-IPO/DePaul Dems/43rd Ward Forum (4.00 / 1)
A note about coverage, in case anyone is interested in reviewing what went on:

Here's a link to the CANTV webpage regarding our forum - http://www.cantv.org/5th-dem-f...
It includes the cablecast schedule.

Watch the forum on Blip TV now - http://blip.tv/file/1744613

For a full line-up of coverage:  http://www.illinois5th.com/AVP...


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