About Lipinski and IL-03

by: Sandra_Verthein

Mon May 28, 2007 at 14:49:19 PM CDT


I posted a comment in a previous diary about why I thought Dan Lipinski, an anti-choice, pro-war "Democrat" in Illinois' 3rd Congressional District, can't be beat in the upcoming Dem primaries.  My main argument was the fact that, because our primaries don't have runoff elections or instant runoff voting, it is too easy for the machine to do exactly what they did last time -- put in a third candidate to split the anti-Lipinski vote so that Lipinski still ends up as the top vote getter, no matter how many people might like to see someone else in that seat.  However, there were a couple of things that I was not taking into account when I wrote that comment that could make this a little more do-able than I thought. 

Some hopefull speculations, a poll, and some facts about the district, below the fold ...

Sandra_Verthein :: About Lipinski and IL-03
Though I still think this would be an incredibly tough race, here are a few things that might give us an edge that we didn't have in 2006:

1. Netroots interest

What actually started me looking at this race again was a diary on DailyKos talking about what Dem primary races the netroots could target that would help get rid of a few the congresscritters who voted for recent Iraq war funding bill.  This particular diariest rated Lipinski as "high priority."

During the 2006 primaries most of the focus of the netroots was on getting a Democratic majority in congress.  However, this time around I think there will much more interest in the primaries.  Plus, lets face it, the netroots are just plain BIGGER and more organized then they were even a year ago.  Though it is true they can't really deliver the boots on the ground, they can help with two very important things:  fundraising and media narrative.

2. Fundraising

Speaking of fundraising, in 2006 John Sullivan, the progressive candidate who ran against Lipinski and got trounced, only raised $127,226 (and spent $126,926). I don't mean to make make light of the work that he went through to raise that -- raising $127K is not easy, especially for a first time candidate.  And John himself told me that many of the potential donors he talked to said that they had been told to give all of their money to Duckworth.  But in a primary with over 88,000 voters, $127K barely gets you one mailing, if that.  So, more money could change the equation.

Though $127K is no small potatoes, I think that with some concentrated efforts from the netroots and the local grassroots we could do a lot better than that this time around.  Especially when you consider that NUMEROUS candidates in our recent Chicago Aldermanic races raised well over $200K.  If we can do it for them, we should be able to do it for a congressional race. 

FYI, Lipinski spent about 240K during that election.  It's hard to say what the machine spoiler candidate spent, since the only report from them was filed two weeks before the election, and shows them raising $78K and spending $0.  And obviously he spent more than zero. You can take a look for yourself here:

http://query.nictusa...

Is there some way to report them for not filing anything after that? Or is that one of those "accountability" things that our government doesn't have time for ....

3. New Allies

One of the things that makes this district so impossible is that a large part of it is composed of some of the toughest machine strongholds, including the wards where Mike Madigan, John P. Daley, and Ed Burke are the committeemen.  However, there are a few new faces on the scene:

- State Rep. Karen Yarbrough was elected as Proviso Township Committeeman in 2006, and as the author of the resolution to impeach George Bush, she certainly can't be a Lipinski fan.  Now, who knows if she would want to get involved, and only part of Proviso township is in the 3rd CD, but none the less, it is more than we had before.

- The 3rd CD also includes small parts of Chicago's 3rd Ward, 15th Ward, 16th Ward and 20th Ward.  All four of these wards now have new, non-machine Aldermen: Pat Dowell, Toni Foulkes, Joann Thompson and Willie Cochran, respectively.  Though they may not be interested in getting involved in this, we certainly have a better shot of getting their help, or the help of their supporters, than we did with the people they replaced. And it is likely that many of them WILL be getting involved in the Democratic Committeeman races, which will be going on at the same time, since in three of these wards the Alderman they just beat IS the Democratic Committeeman.  Yikes!

Again, this is just a small part of the 3rd CD, but every precinct counts, and having just a few of them in the control of potential allies is an advantage we didn't have in 2006.

4. Media narrative

It is hard to get the media to cover a story unless it fits into a larger theme they already believe exists. I think that this race could fit into their current theme of "backlash" from the "far left" against pro-war Dems.  Which means our candidate could get more publicity than in 2006.  And lately they seem to enjoy writing stories about the "weakening" Chicago machine.  Our candidate could get some press from that as well.  And, of course, shaping and pushing media narratives is an area where the netroots can come in really handy, as I mentioned in point 1.

I WISH we could get the media to pay attention to the "democracy is being subverted by candidates being *selected* by committeemen instead of *elected* by the people" story -- but so far they don't seem to be interested in that one! ;-)  (Lipinski got into office when his dad dropped out at the last minute and the Cook County Dem Committeeman voted him into his dad's place.  Which, as we all know, is the same way we got Todd Stroger).

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Of course, the big thing we are missing right now is a candidate. Without someone willing to take on that huge, huge challenge, then all of our speculation is for naught.  What I really wish is that we had some sort of "Third District Progressive Democrats" group who could be, perhaps, actively seeking a candidate.  I understand that that's how Dan Seals came to run in the 10th District -- the 10th District Dems recruited him.  If anyone knows of such a thing please do share.  I heard a rumor about a Latino candidate running, but who knows if that is true or not.

However, I think this is a race that definitely bears watching. And it is possible that there is someone out there who is considering running but wondering where they can go for support -- perhaps if they know that the progressive grassroots and netroots are interested it will help them decide to run.

As a final offering for those who are still reading this long diary, below is a list of the townships and wards that make up the 3rd CD.  And this list may not be 100% correct -- it was a bit difficult to piece together from the maps I had.  But it gives a sense of where/what we are talking about:

TOWNSHIPS (part of)
- Berwyn Township, Dem Committeeman Robert J Lovero
- Riverside Township, Dem Committeeman John Toman
- Proviso Township, Dem Committeeman Karen Yarbrough
- Lyons Township, Dem Committeeman Steven Landek
- Stickney Township, Dem Committeeman Michael Looney
- Palos Township, Dem Committeeman Samuel Simone
- Worth Township, Dem Committeeman Dennis MaGee

WARDS
- Ward 11 (almost all of it), Dem Committeeman John P. Daley, Alderman James Balcer
- Ward 13 (almost all of it), Dem Committeeman  Michael Madigan, Alderman Frank Olivio
- Ward 19 (almost all of it), Dem Committeeman Matthew J. O'Shea, Alderman Virgina Rugai
- Ward 23 (almost all of it), Dem Committeeman Michael Zalewski, Alderman Michael Zalewski
- Ward 16 (mid-sized part of it), Dem Committeeman Shirley Coleman, Alderman Joann Thompson (was Coleman)
- Ward 15 (small part of it), Dem Committeeman Theodore Thomas , Alderman Toni Foulkes (Thomas retired)
- Ward 18 (small part of it), Dem Committeeman John Joiner, Alderman Lona Lane
- Ward 14 (small part of it), Dem Committeeman Edward Burke, Alderman Edward Burke
- Ward 3 (a tiny part), Dem Committeeman Dorothy Tillman, Alderman Pat Dowell (was Tillman)
- Ward 20 (a tiny part), Dem Committeeman Arenda Troutman, Alderman Willie Cochran (was Troutman)

Maps:
http://www.govtrack....
http://maps.cityofch...

Poll
Should the progressive grassroots and netroots take on Lipinski?
Yes, its winnable -- let's go for it!
We should contest it no matter what the chance is.
We can't decide without a candidate in place.
It's not winnable -- we should work elsewhere.
Forget it, beating Republicans is the priority.
What's wrong with Lipinski?
Other.

Results

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Rumors (4.00 / 1)
I have also heard rumors that the Latino community is looking to run a candidate in this district.  If I hear of anything for certain I will be sure to let you know.

We Educated, We Lobbied, We Marched, and US Policy has not changed. Now is the time to unite as never before to ensure policy change that supports human needs both in the U.S. and throughout the world. Greater Chicago Caucus

you're not thinking of... (4.00 / 1)
mark pera, are you?  i don't know that he's hispanic, but he's gotten labor backing in the past and could be a serious candidate.  he's run for office before, and knows the drill...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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Looks like Pera's running (4.00 / 1)
http://www.markperaf...
http://query.nictusa...

Looks like he ran for state rep with some institutional support in '96, and for school board in '98.
http://elections.il....
http://elections.il....

He raised good money for the '96 race from unions and Madigan, even a little from Bill Lipinski.


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A candidate in IL-03 (0.00 / 0)
Well, this could be very good news!  I'd like to learn a lot more about his positions before I get too excited, but from what little he has on his website he is already a big step up from Lipinski.

Basic stuff: The common wealth should be used for the common good, not to enrich the well-connected few.  

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OTOH (0.00 / 0)
In 2006 people were absolutely furious at the way Lipinski had been imposed by fiat. That's why it was perfectly correct to speak of the "anti-Lipinski" vote. But a lot of that fury has died down now that he has actually won an election. In 2008 you're going to have to campaign on the issues rather than emotions. And that's a lot harder.

It's also important to remember that the war situation is very volatile. If troops are on their way home by December -- an idea we hear Bush spokespeople floating -- then running simply as an anti-war candidate in the February elections will be a lot harder. And there semms to be little question that the district as a whole is anti-choice, so that's not a winnable issue.

On the gripping hand, it's perfectly true that in the 2006 primary Chicago-area progressives -- including those in Oak Park, literally across the street from the 3rd CD, were devoting their money and shoe leather to the Cegelis campaign. In fact, to the best of my knowledge Sulliven never made any attempt to reach out to us. That could be different in 2008.

I don't know of any progressive organizations literally in the 3rd CD, but you might want to contact Carl Nyburg, who sometimes posts here and also sometimes shows up at the Oak Park DFA meeting.

Bill Thomasson

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I recently moved to Lipinski's district (0.00 / 0)
I have some interest in starting a group blog for the district.

The south half of Proviso Township is in IL-03.

BTW, I wasn't that impressed with Sullivan last time around. Decent guy, but he didn't show strong natural campaign skills.


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right... (4.00 / 1)
there was a reason he came in third...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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To be honest.... (0.00 / 0)
  I have seriously thought about running for congress on the 3rd... only because my name and personal story can interest the old school polish folk that still live in the 3rd (think Garfield Ridge). Alas, I no longer live in the that area (though I am on the border now) and more importantly I'm just 24 years old.

  I have heard of certain groups (I'll tell you if you really want off line) recruiting a hispanic or muslim candidate. It's tough to find some1 who has that much time on their hands to  deal with the machines of that area...

  I'm still down with helping with any1 running against Lipinski. My mom has good stories of Bill Lipinski knocking on our door when running for office, especially at odd times like when we were having dinner.... its a shame that Dan had everything handed to him and is such a horrible congressman for the ppl.

(but to be fair, being pro-life is very similar to the views of his catholic constituents imho)


I don't understand this poll answer: (0.00 / 0)
"Forget it, beating Republicans is the priority."

Exactly how do we go about beating Republicans in a Democratic primary? We are not too likely to knock off Republicans in February, unless the suggestion is to switch parties and mess with their primary process!

The 9 months between February and November will be plenty of time to concentrate exclusively on beating Republicans. In the meantime, we need to make our Party as good as it can be up and down the ticket so people see a REASON to vote for Democrats. Too many people still believe Ralph Nader's line about there not being "a dime's worth of difference" between the Parties. And it's people like Lipinski that give his argument credence.

Howard Dean in 2016


Jim: about "beating Republicans" (4.00 / 1)
I put this choice in because of a recent conversation I had with someone who said he really didn't care about this "Democratic infighting" and wanted to concentrate his efforts on "beating Republicans."  But yes, I 100% agree with you.  Especially when our primary is so early!  We will have plenty of time from February to November to help candidates who will be trying to unseat Republican incumbents. Now we should be concentrating on using the primaries to our advantage.

Of course, for those who live in districts that are currently represented by Republicans, they might best spend their energy working on building the Dem infrastructure where they live.  But for the rest of us, no question, we need to be making the most of what opportunities we have in the primaries.

Basic stuff: The common wealth should be used for the common good, not to enrich the well-connected few.  


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Tony Peraica is the only serious GOP (0.00 / 0)
candidate I've heard about.

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I was thinking federal level (0.00 / 0)
i.e. Mark Kirk and Dennis Hastert (or replacement) and Peter Roskam and John Shimpkus and Jerry Weller, etc.

Basic stuff: The common wealth should be used for the common good, not to enrich the well-connected few.  

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Yellow Dog Democrat (0.00 / 0)
I guess your friend fits this definition. Problem with Yellow Dogs is they don't know the difference between a Progressive and a Blue Dog and/or don't think it matters.

Howard Dean in 2016

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I Don't Agree with Jim (0.00 / 0)
It was in July of 2004 that I started working to help Christine Cegelis unseat an indumbent Republican in November 2006. No one will ever know whether we could have pulled it off if Durbin and Emanuel hadn't delided that a candidate who would resonate nationally was more important than winning this particular district. But I am convinced that it was precisely this idea that March (or July) was plenty of time to start campaigning that doomed Duckworth.

Bill Thomasson

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You prove my point, actually (0.00 / 0)
Cegelis couldn't face Roskam unless she beat Duckworth first. So you HAD to focus on the primary before you could worry about "beating Republicans". A campaign has to start much earlier to prepare for the run. But for volunteers knocking on doors for a general election, do you really need more than 9 months?

Howard Dean in 2016

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Looks Totally Different to Me (0.00 / 0)
Of the 21 months I considered myself actively involved in the Cegelis campaign, we spent exactly 3 focussed on the primary. Yes, it's true that for several months before December we knew we were going to have to beat Scott in March. But that's not what we were gearing up for. We were doing the things we knew we were going to have to do to beat Roskam in November.

Now it's perfectly true that a lot of the door-knocking starts after the primary. People who join at that time are very welcome. So it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that some people could work a primary campaign somewhere and then go elsewhere for the general election. But the suggestion that progressives as a whole could do this is a recipe for defeat in November.

Bill Thomasson

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In a Repubilcan District (0.00 / 0)
Prior to the primary I think it is wise to build a core team of people that live primarily in the District if you  are trying to defeat a Republican.  There are many people here though that live in safe Democratic Districts and though their help is greatly appreciated I think they should work in other districts where the primary is the actual election.  Like Gutierrez’s district that will be an open seat and is heavily contested.  There it makes sense if you are out of district to get involved because once the primary is over the election is decided.  Progressives that live in the 14th  or ones that live near the 14th, with the open field there should choose a candidate and start working.  It is a very good field for such a Republican District and it is sure to get national attention.  There is a lot of ground to cover and there still needs to be some party building out that way.

We Educated, We Lobbied, We Marched, and US Policy has not changed. Now is the time to unite as never before to ensure policy change that supports human needs both in the U.S. and throughout the world. Greater Chicago Caucus

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Hi, Christine (0.00 / 0)
Let me remind you that I live in a safe Democratic district. But for more than 2 years I was doing what I could to help build a party in the 6th. (Switched to Joe Vosicky's state rep campaign after the primary.)

Still, geography does make a difference. As I sometimes reminded people, my house was actually in the 6th CD when I moved here 36 years ago. The 14th CD, though, is just too far for a non-driver to go. While, conversely, I could literally stroll into the 3rd.

But to come back to the point at issue. Everything I've seen in my relatively few years working to get people elected convinces me that focussing just on the few months' run-up to the election is a mistake. All the things that go before are, if possible, even more important. And that goes for serious volunteers as well as paid staffers.

I don't think you would disagree.

Bill Thomasson

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