Bill Foster has to work on his communications skills

by: Carl Nyberg

Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 14:23:57 PM CST


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I would like to flip as many GOP U.S. House seats as possible. Bill Foster may be the most likely to flip IL-14. However, he needs to improve his communication skills.

On Saturday morning I attended a forum for bloggers to interview candidate Bill Foster (D-IL14). I was invited by Ahila Livingston. bored now and a few other bloggers attended.

Foster described himself as a Democrat in the mold of William Proxmire and Paul Simon. Foster grew-up in Wisconsin and described the family car as having a Proxmire for Senate bumper sticker.

I am comfortable Foster's ideological perspective is well within the range of loyal Democrats.

However, I do have at least a couple concerns.

Carl Nyberg :: Bill Foster has to work on his communications skills
Foster may admire Proxmire and Simon, but he reminded me of Bill Bradley (whom I supported in the 2000 presidential primary).

Bradley and Foster seem indecisive and aloof. Both of them seem to want to study issues more so they can find another layer of complexity, so they can justify spending more time studying an issue before making a decision.

Foster especially seemed this way on the net neutrality questions posed by Ahila. But he also used the complexity defense for the Congressional Democrats not accomplishing anything toward ending the occupation of Iraq.

Bradley took years longer than most of his generation to come to the conclusion the Vietnam War was a bad thing. He had to consider every pro-war argument carefully before he'd take a position against the war. As a collegiate basketball player, Rhodes Scholar and NBA star, Bradley had the luxury of taking his time.

Bradley had the star power and charisma that caused voters to forgive his eccentricities. Foster doesn't have this luxury.

While the voters may have forgiven Bradley's eccentricities, I'm not sure his peers in Congress did. The Democrats were annoyed to have to defend Bradley's Senate seat when he retired in 1997 but I didn't get the impression other members of Congress were that disappointed to see him go.

Foster's biggest problem are his poor communication skills.

It's possible for poor communicators to get elected. When I first became active in politics I worked for the U.S. Campaign to Ban Landmines. Our "go to" guy in the U.S. House was Lane Evans (D-IL17). Evans appeared at a press conference in Chicago. I was horrified that he seemed to be mumbling his words at a press conference. (He later announced he had Parkinson's Disease.)

But even if Evans didn't speak clearly he could muster wit for a partisan audience. I remember him at a fund raiser recounting a journalist asking him if he'd take grief in his district for being the freshman member of Congress who voted against President Ronald Reagan the most at 88%. Evans claimed to have replied that there was one person he'd have to explain to, his mother. She'd want to know want he was doing voting with Reagan 12% of the time.

Foster's campaign manager asked bored now for a copy of the tape so he could use it to coach Foster to project his voice better. While Foster should improve in this respect, it's just the easiest to fix of Foster's communication issues.

The Foster campaign should invest in a communications consultant-one specializing in political communications-immediately.

Some problems with Foster's speaking style.

1.He talks too much.
2.He shows his work too much. Foster spends too much time explaining how he reached his conclusions. I don't know why he does this. Is he trying to show how smart he is? Is it a communication style that's served him well in business and become a habit?
3."People will forget what you say; they will remember how you made them feel." (I read this quote in a George Stephanopolous book.) Foster failed to take advantage of a couple opportunities to make the audience feel good. The forum was small. Foster should have engaged in more back-and-forth to make sure he was answering the questions. The way he conducted that Q and A it made him seem distant. Also, with so few people attending Foster should have been briefed on each person who was going to be there and known a little about each of us. I remember David Fink speaking to a group of progressive organizations in DC when he ran against Rep. Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) in 2002. Fink was able to explain how Knollenberg had been a disappointment to every organization in the room. And he did it from memory. Foster failed to show that he cared much about who we were and why we are activists.
4.When I used to lobby with Ken Bacon (of Refugees International, formerly DOD Press Secretary), he'd come to meetings with members of Congress exceedingly well prepared. He had more financial and demographic info about districts than the member of Congress he was meeting with. I didn't get the impression Foster prepared for the bloggers meeting beyond the preparation he's done for the campaign generally.
5.Finally, while Foster has an intellectual grasp of issues, he fails to translate that into an emotional story about why people should take action.

Foster may be the Dems strongest candidate in IL14. But his communication skills need work. I know I'm not the first to notice it. I don't know if everyone else has been too polite to say it. Or if the various people and organizations who have endorsed him have expected someone else to tell the candidate.

But Foster needs help beyond simply annunciating better.

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I agree ... (0.00 / 0)
I've had the opportunity to meet Bill a few times at functions/debates, and he seems like a good guy.  He's likeable and I can see why he's such an attractive candidate, but I sense hestitation.  As I said in another post today, all the candidates except John Laesch have been less than responsive in my experience, and that really disappoints me.  I was VERY open to the new IL 14 candidates, not because I oppose John Laesch, but because it's just great to see so much interest and promise and I want a dem in the office.  All the candidates are worthy of consideration.  I am a bit turned off by Foster's tendancy to take the "safe" route when addressing issues.  I appreciate it when a canidate sticks his neck out to say what he thinks.  I want an enthusiastic and firm response about issues.  Also, I lean pretty far left, and Foster doesn't seem progressive enough for me.  That's why I've decided to vote John Laesch in the primary.  He doesn't hesitate to say exactly where he stands, he's very accessible, and his positions are the most progressive.  I'm sincere about this - I really kept my mind open about the IL 14 race and wanted to see what the new candidates were about, but they have all been, well, just less than responsive in my experience.  However, I'll vote Dem in the general w/o sour grapes whoever gets on the ballot.

I agree (0.00 / 0)
Foster's people need to hire a political consultant for communication and/or figure out how Al Gore changed.  In 2000, Gore came across as interesting as stale bread and he seemed like a smart technocrat and aloof.  He just didn't excite enough people to make the effort to go to the polls in 2000.  Now, Gore has more charisma than he did in the past.  Maybe it is because Gore is not calculating his every word anymore, there's no pressure, and he can say whatever he sees fit.

The same thing might happen to Foster.  If he continues to have the personality of stale bread, he is not going to excite enough voters to make the effort to go to the polls.


In other words ... (0.00 / 0)
Bill Foster is just like Bill Thomasson. For obvious reasons.

Do you really not know why Foster talks about the reasoning behind his positions? That's the way scientists are expected [required] to talk. If he didn't talk that way he wouldn't be Bill Foster. But it seems a bit odd to hear people say they want an authentic candiate who says what he thinks and then criticize Bill Foster for being authentic and saying what he thinks.

Bill Thomasson

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there are scientist that are good communicators and those that are not (0.00 / 0)
The ability to successfully convey your ideas, in any field, to the audience to which you are communicating is a skill. If you cannot convey your ideas effectively then you cannot be successful, no matter who you are or how smart you are. I have been a scientist for many years, and I have taught technical concepts to nontechnical people, if you are unable to craft the message in such a way to communicate it to the intended audience then you might as well not deliver the message because it will not be heard. I also have, many years of business and human resource experience, and I have found that professionals in those fields are expected to have sound reasons for their decisions just as any scientist, supported by data. However, again the ability to communicate a message to the audience appropriately so that it is properly received without making the receiver feel insignificant or somehow less important is skill. This is not a simple task, this ability to connect cannot always be learned.

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You're right (0.00 / 0)
And I wasn't really addressing that broader point. Only the point about why Foster finds it natural and authentic to explain his reasoning.

There's also, of course, the point that the voting public is in fact a variety of audiences. Candidates who explain why they favor certain policies are more likely to draw my support. While those who simply rant and appeal to emotion are almost guaranteed to turn me off. I don't know how many times I have gone in favoring one side and, after hearing an over-the-top rant from that side, have come out favoring the other.

Bill Thomasson

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Michelle Nailed It (4.00 / 1)
Foster is not running for Head Scientist; he is running for Congress. Either he figures out how to connect with voters or he will lose.

   


I have heard Foster speak (4.00 / 1)
He is a smart but he is dismissive of those around him that don't agree and that he feels are not as smart as he is. As long as his communication style is one of trying to justify why he is right and not that of maybe the other person might have a point and trying to empathize and understand he will never come to the point where he can communicate. His lack of empathy is going to take away from his authenticity. You need to understand where your audience is coming from to understand how to communicate your message. It does not matter how you arrived at your point until you understand how they arrived at theirs. Then you can begin to share that arrival. Hence, my point above this is not a simple task, the ability to connect cannot always be learned.  

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Suggest to him that Carl Sagan wasn't an idiot. (4.00 / 1)
He doesn't have to be pedantic to be smart (as my loved ones regularly tell me).

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Great pair of posts. (0.00 / 0)
Nice post Carl. I'm so glad you and bn were able to be there and especially glad you two have posted these excellent commentaries.

Lets hope that Foster is already working with someone and that  he has separate styles for talking to us and talking to voters and visual-aural media. Lets hope that he is already making progress.

Assuming he becomes the Democratic candidate, of course.

Jeff Wegerson


Important...to a degree (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate the honesty of this post and comments, and I'm sure Bill and his campaign manager (Tom) do too.  But really, just how much of a difference does communication style make?  Especially in the district of rhetorically challenged Dennis Hastert?  

My guess is that my neighbors and friends will leverage television commercials, literature in their mailbox and websites as the only information sources on candidates prior to the elections.  So I question whether is delivery or message that matters most?  

For example...JL showcases a picture of what appears to be Lieberman kissing Bush in his latest video...I question whether that sort of message wins over moderate voters in the general election?  While it's red meat to us progressives, it nonsense to people who don't have any clue at the pictures deeper relevancy or humor.  Heck, do most people even know what a Blue Dog Democrat even is?  I know my wife doesn't.

I don't know...it seems we should acknowledge candidate shortcomings and discuss.  But we should discuss with equal vigor topics like 'ability to win in the general' even more.

PS...Gore won the popular vote in 2000, so obviously he motivated enough people to win.


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Foster, or any other Dem in IL-14, has yet to play with a Republican opponent. Just as in advertising, Republicans get that facts and product matter little for the first time purchase. They understand that lifestyle and perception matter more when selling a product or candidate. And Foster will be not just have just some GOP candidate to define him, but will have the RNC most likely working closely with his opponent.

Republicans will use Foster's own communications style to paint Foster as someone voters won't like (have a beer with mentality), who doesn't have respect for them (emotionless mentality), and more over, thinks they're stupid (talk down to mentality). Then Foster will answer in a very thorough way, explaining his rational, demonstrating his understanding of the problem, and voters will view this as being talked down to and Foster being arrogant and distant - no mater the reality.

Communication style is critical. This would be my guess why there are few scientists in Congress. It is a personality type that separates them from other groups of people. Foster in reality sounds like a very good candidate. But reality is not necessarily what voters use to decide how to vote. Perception is. Foster is going to have to overcome his communication style to avoid falling into the perceptional frame set by his eventual GOP opponents.

Voting is emotional to most in my opinion. It is like akin to a purchasing decision. Foster has to find the emotional tie to those he wishes to support him. He needs to find a way to connect emotionally, not just intellectually. After all, it were just about the better candidate, Bush would not have been in office right now by virtue of any tally sheet save "have a beer with".


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OK, so we disagree a bit... (0.00 / 0)
I often wonder why we don't have more carpenters in Congress too?  It's an equally intriguing question...

We can all stipulate to Foster's shortcomings in the public speaking department.  The really good news is they are easily improved upon, and the more practice he gets the better.  Carl was right to bring it up and I'm sure our discussion has been noted.  Frankly, I'm tickled pink that we all agree this is his greatest shortcoming.  

At least he didn't once try to change his legal name to Bill Foster PhD...


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I brought it up with his campaign manager (0.00 / 0)
on Saturday.  Tom is aware that Bill needs some work on his public speaking.  

I would say, personally, that Carl is right.  Bill needs a lot of work.  

He needs to develop some ability to sound bite, rather than think his way through the issue every time someone asks a question.  As a matter of developing policy, it would be great to have a congressman who really considers things from many different angles, and is intelligent enough to see things from perspectives that I wouldn't consider.

But he needs to boil things down when he's speaking with groups.  

He spent quite a bit of time, it felt like, on mortgage issues.  His perspective, at least what I gleaned, could be boiled down to "no help for speculators who are losing their shirts, but we should do something for those who are losing their homes".  

I'd have to watch bn's video to get a better grasp.  I also zoned out from time to time, or missed things when I was typing in the dkos diary.  But he could boil that perspective down quite quickly.  And being more succinct would allow him to cover more issues.  There were a lot of things that we weren't able to get into because he took so long in answering questions.

He is a scientist, and I appreciate that that's how he's learned to communicate.  But now he's a politician, so he needs to learn to talk more like a politician.  


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I don't think Tom has the right formula (0.00 / 0)
for coaching Bill Foster into becoming an effective candidate.

Tom and Bill Foster should bring someone else into the equation to coach the candidate. Tom's coaching isn't getting them to where they want to be.


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I agree, (0.00 / 0)
Tom hasn't been effective enough at teaching a non-politician to speak as a politician.  He's used to politicians.  

I think I heard they recently (like withing the past week or two) brought in a new communications person.  That should help, hopefully it's not too late.  And hopefully they brought in the right person for the job.


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details of your... (4.00 / 2)
...positions are for websites and white papers not stump speaches.

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#2 is because he is a... (0.00 / 0)
...scientist used to speaking to scientists who expect this backing up of conclusions with facts.

Foster's resignation Letter (0.00 / 0)
Foster wrote a four page resignation letter from Fermi Lab about the lack of funds for his project.

The less you say, the fewer bridges you burn, and the better off you are.  Foster gives four pages on the termination of funding for his project.  Well written too, but why?  He lost the funds... move on.

I think Laesch badly wrong on the war, but he has the passion.  He showed passion with his statement on greeting every citizen in response Planned Parenthood's  endorsement of Foster.

I think progressives have a lot of thinking to do about how isolationist and protectionist they want to go, but throwing out the passion doesn't make sense to me.

For better or worse, Laesh is the heart of the party at the moment. Trying to overlook some of those short comings with the Foster types, who ...want to study issues more so they can find another layer of complexity, so they can justify spending more time studying an issue before making a decision... (or a Morganthaler next store, who I suspect one could make the same charge of...and she Gen Sanchez's PAO in Iraq!), isn't going to work.

If you run, you need to believe in something.  It's more than communication.


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misusing the term "isolationism" (4.00 / 1)
Failure to embrace wars of the Right is not isolationism.

You either don't know what isolationism is or you are deliberately misusing the term for propaganda purposes.


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There are Progressives and Progressives (0.00 / 0)
The position that some progressive sare taking (see clarity's 9-point list) is clearly isolationist. Just being against the Iraq war because it's stupid isn't isolationist. There is currently a marriage of convenience that papers over these differences. But Bill B is right that in the long run we're going to have to think through where we stand on these issues.

OTOH, I am old enough to remember when an isolationist was half-seriously defined as "soneone who wants to fight in Asia." Bush's approach looks very familiar from this perspective.

BTW, I had no problem replying on this thread. The problem I mentioned seems to apply only to the Foster as scientist thread, where I would dearly love to be involved.

Bill Thomasson

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email me your contributions and i will post them for you... (0.00 / 0)


"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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Right. (3.50 / 2)
And failure to embrace corporate-friendly trade treaties isn't protectionism, at least not in any bad sense. Those treaties actually contain a lot of protectionism for investments, but none for workers rights or for the environment.

"In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing -- for the sheer fun and joy of it -- to go right ahead and fight, knowing you're going to lose." -- I.F. Stone

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Then Foster needs to let us know what kind of wars he'd fight. (0.00 / 0)
Whether it's Kerry's doctrine of only fighting Wars of Last resort or what.

He needs to communicate that.


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And he is against bickering (0.00 / 0)
the four page letter about his funding was just after they asked him to leave because he did not play well with others and could not get along with the other scientist. Another example of I am right and you are wrong, not so good on the communications front.

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not exactly a problem solver then... (2.00 / 1)
...if getting foster to leave was the solution, then that speaks volumes about him I suspect.

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not only not a problem solver (0.00 / 0)
but does not get along well with his colleagues and others when they disagreed on the approach to continue their work. He would not work within the science community to solve the problems and cooperate he tried to stop others from pursuing their job by not allowing his staff to work on projects that did not meet his goals. That does not sound like a guy who will get things done does it? His way of communicating was the four pages of I was right posted to the public. He might have been right but in the science community that is not how you get a job done.

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Hmmm. (2.00 / 1)
1998 - Elected Fellow, American Physical Society

Citation: "For contributions to the development of large scale particle physics electronics, and for a leading role in the design of the permanent magnet based Fermilab Antiproton Recycler Ring." on this 15th day of November, 1998

1989 - Rossi Prize for Cosmic Ray Physics

Citation: "The High Energy Astrophysics Division of the American Astronomical Society hereby awards the Bruno Rossi Prize for 1989 to the members of the IMB and Kamiokande High Energy Neutrino Collaborations. The prize is awarded for the dramatic and mutually confirming detection of the burst of neutrinos from supernova 1987A, which opened a new window on the cosmos beyond the solar system and provided the first direct data on the high-energy processes ocurring in the centers of collapsed stars."

1999 - IEEE/NPSS Particle Accelerator Science and Technology Award

Citation: "The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers [IEEE] Nuclear and Plasma Sciences Society 1999 Particle Accelerator Science and Technology Award is presented to G. William Foster and Gerald P. Jackson for their leading roles in the conceptualization, design, and development of the first large scale application of permanent magnet technology for beam transport, in the form of the 8 GeV Booster to Main Injector transfer line and the Recycler Ring at Fermilab."

1998 - Federal Energy and Water Management Award (Dept. of Energy)

Citation: "The Award is presented by the Federal Interagency Energy Policy Committee and the Department of Energy to recognize outstanding contributions toward increased energy efficiency, renewable energy and water conservation within the Federal sector. This is the premier energy award presented to Federal employees and draws attention to our increased Federal energy and water conservation efforts, as mandated by the Energy Policy Act of 1992 and Executive Order 12902 signed by President Clinton. It also underscores the Administration's initiative to "reinvent government" by recognizing those efforts which save energy, reduce the Federal deficit, promote a cleaner environment and create a stronger economy."

(co-recipients of this award included Fermilab physicist and Batavia Alderman Dr. James T. Volk, and Dr. Gerald Jackson of Fermilab.)

1999 - Fermilab Technology Award for Digital Photomultiplier Integrated Circuit

Citation: "Presented to William Foster in recognition of a valuable technology contribution of the Digital Photomultiplier Tube (DPMT) at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory on the occasion of the 1999 Technology Awards Ceremony."

(The team that Bill led in this development included Fermilab Engineers Ray Yarema, Tom Zimmerman, Jim Hoff, Maher Sarraj, and others)

Problem-solver and team player.

Here's what I have a problem with. Most of the other commenters who have come to this thread--as well as the person who posted this diary--have been trying to be fair and to constructively criticize Bill Foster's public speaking skills. You obviously have an entirely different agenda. Once again, Laesch supporter works to tear down my candidate instead of build up his. I've said it before and I'll say it again: wherever supporters of John Laesch show up on a blog, the dialogue is sure to degenerate.  


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p.s. the exceptions (0.00 / 0)
Of course there are exceptions to this rule, the most obvious (to me) at PSB being Ozzie.

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never said I was a Laesch supporter (0.00 / 0)
I think that is a bit presumptuous just because I disagree with your candidate does not mean I am a Laesch supporter.  

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Not really. (0.00 / 0)
Yours fits the M.O. perfectly. You signed up a couple days ago and your only apparent reason for being here is to bash Foster. It's quite consistent with what Laesch supporters are doing here (and to something of an extreme at DKos). I will believe what I believe unless and until you come up with more constructive things to say.

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Belive what you want but (0.00 / 0)
I read some of the comments below and you seem to be selective in your criticism.

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Huh? (0.00 / 0)
Are you talking about Bill?  

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Bill: Link? (0.00 / 0)
Bill, how does one get to read the letter? I want to find out how someone with no passion ends up writing a four-page resignation letter.

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Foster's Goodybe to Fermi Lab letter (0.00 / 0)
He's passionate and well spoken on funding for his project.  Most rocket scientists are in my experience.  Big science and research are cut-throat businesses.

Here is the letter.  It is a pdf.

Here is my post on it over at Illinoize.

Here is Foster's response to a question over at Faithfully Liberal back in September,

Q: What issues do you see as key to the constituents in the district you seek to represent?

A: The first, second and third issue is Iraq. I just put up a statement on my website talking about how the President's plans to continue on the same course are just wrong. We need to bring troops home, not stay on the same course.

I'd say Iraq is still the first, second, and third issue now too.  I don't get the sense Foster feels that way anymore. I doubt he's updated his website and his commercials talk about bickering instead.

A half hour ago the top of his website was on Fermi Lab losing out in the budget bill signed this week but now that's gone.  You can read Foster's quotes on it thouh here.

I disagree diametrically with Laesch but I'd think we'd be better off with a debate on Iraq as the first, second, and third issue between Laesch and Lauzen than god forbid Foster and Oberweis.  A lot of folks writing off Laesch as the crank, and promting Foster as this super rationalist.

Well, as you read about Foster, I'm not so sure he isn't a bit cranky himself.

Give me the debate on the key issue between two principled, albeit quirky themselves, candidates: Laesch and Lauzen.

Each brings some passion and the both understand what's important.  There is nothing wrong with that kind of bickering at all.  Our troops and Iraqi allies deserve that debate.  It's the most important bickering we can do.



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the problem with that theory... (0.00 / 0)
is that a poll already shows a lauzen-leach matchup going 2-1 for lauzen.  his media strategy guy already has a track record on painting opponents as "too liberal for __ values" -- something that works when it rings true, and fails when it doesn't.  i'll leave it to the reader to decide if john laesch can be tarred with that message...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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if you're gonna lose, you might as well (4.00 / 1)
lose fighting for what you believe in.

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that's true... (0.00 / 0)
then the question becomes, do democrats want to lose the seat?  i keep noting that democrats in the 14th have to decide whether they want to send a message to the party or a democrat to congress.  it's pretty simple...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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you've made the case Laesch has a glaring hole in (0.00 / 0)
his game.

I suspect part of Laesch's problem is that some Democrats are cutting him off from a big chunk of donors.

But now it turns out Foster has a glaring hole in his game.

Is Foster going to address it? I don't know.

But if one doesn't believe Foster is going to fix his "hole" and Laesch either can't/won't fix his "hole" then it's a pick of who the Dems want to lose with.

Back in 1990, the DFL largely nominated a professor named Wellstone as the candidate they wanted to lose with.


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laesch raised $300,000 last time... (0.00 / 0)
his failure to get those contributors to recommit isn't a glaring hole, it's a complete failure.  speculating that laesch is being cut off is meaningless, since he's not actively trying to get those people who might take direction from "some Democrats" to contribute to his campaign.  his fund-raising strategy is primarily passive: to motivate people to contribute on line, at a distance.

while i agree that foster is neither a charismatic candidate nor successful in connecting with some people (perhaps even most people), i strongly disagree that this is a hole in his game.  weak candidates run and win all the time.  laesch is a great example of this himself.  don't even get me started with lipinski (who is far worse than either laesch or foster).  there are a lot of reasons why people win elections, and candidates are only part of the equation.  i've written about this elsewhere (and wouldn't have dreamed of posting it here), here and here.

you seem ready to give up because laesch isn't viable.  but just because laesch can't cut it as a congressional candidate for an open seat does not mean that foster can't.  there's no moral equivalency here.  foster may be a flawed candidate, but he has compensated for those flaws by putting together a decent campaign and raising the money necessary to win.  while laesch doesn't want to win unless his all-volunteer army can pull it off (and it can't), foster is willing to throw everything he can at winning this race.  iow, foster will make the sacrifices necessary to win.  laesch won't...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting


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D has to be better-than-decent to win in IL-14 (0.00 / 0)
Foster has racked-up so good endorsements, so I agree his campaign team is decent. They are good enough to exploit Laesch's vulnerabilities.

But a Dem campaign needs to be exceedingly lucky to win in a R+5 district with merely a "decent" campaign. I would like to see a campaign that one could say, they've got a great campaign team.

Mark Pera has pulled the pieces together and assembled a better-than-decent campaign.

Pera is a lawyer and a successful local politician who has run for the General Assembly.

Foster doesn't have the same experiences to draw from as Pera, but he does have others.

bored now, you apply a challenge to Footlik's campaign, "Who do you think are going to be your volunteers in the general election?"

Apply the same question to Foster. There will be a few fired-up local Dem activists, but who is going to travel from outside the district to knock on doors for Foster? What will motivate them?


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we actually talked about that.. (4.00 / 1)
at the after live blog session.  i briefly mentioned that in my post on the session.  they have a plan for mobilizing people from outside the district, both volunteers and experienced campaign talent from democratic staffs in the area.  that's one of the advantages of the durbin, seiu and afscme endorsements.  it's something that really needs to be discussed in a separate post...

"We have a lot of kids on the ground acting like adults and we have a lot of adults in this room acting like kids," President Obama told his advisors about all the infighting

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you act as if.. (0.00 / 0)
..whcihever Democrat who gets past the primary is a shoe-in.   That is not the case.  Any one of them will probably loose.  So if i were in the 14th i would vote my conscience.  Thank god I'm not in the 14th since I don't like any of the candidates.  My conscience would tell me to go back to bed.

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We should focus on the issues... (0.00 / 0)
Deconstructing a resignation letter seems hardly a proper method for evaluating someone's electability short of a startling admission or revelation which this does not contain.

It's like getting a peek into Hastert's old coaching notes on wrestling and noting his lack of eloquent prose as reason to question his qualification to serve in Congress.  Talk about out of context and not relevant...

It's good gothcha political theater to speculate and draw conclusions based inference, but this contributes little to the larger discussion that we should be having.  That is how Laesch/Foster would be different as representative/legislators.

This thread has really run it's course...


I don't evaluate his electability.... (0.00 / 0)
I'm not evaluating his electability.

I want some insight on Foster.  What does it mean to run as a Scientist as opposed to an anti-war candidate.

What that letter shows me is Foster as Scientist fighting budgets wars, and admitting failure at it.

It shows me Foster as finding Hastert a useful ally in those budget wars.

It shows Foster with a good understanding of how Scientists wage those wars... with extreme rhetoric e.g. give me $10 billion or give me death as the mantra of his ILC opponents; who apparantly he is willing to go to bat for today.

Foster's Frame is he's the more electable Democrat, while Laesch is the off-balance Democrat prone to getting framed as too Liberal by Lauzen.

I don't think Foster out shines Laesch on the quirkiness issue.  For that matter all four of these candidates bring their own set of quirks too the table.  We in the 14th better get used to that.

I think the real issue is Democrats backing off Iraq as an issue, now that Democracy has a shot at prevailing.

And now that that seems to be the case, the new Frame is throw the most consistent opponent of the Iraq war over board, and instead back the guy in the papers defending billions for boson research in the 14th.

Foster in Sept said Iraq was issue one, two, and three.  I think Laesch is going to follow through with the issue...

...not this Scientist.


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passions (0.00 / 0)
Bill, first you say the man can't be passionate, then you admit that his letter does show passion--but wait! Now we must worry that his passion is misplaced, that he has a secret agenda to promote Fermilab to the detriment of his anti-war views! And oh!--must be something wrong with a guy who admits and liked that Denny benefited his project!

It simply doesn't compute that Foster is EITHER a scientist OR anti-war. They are not mutually exclusive positions. Passion on one issue does not automatically mean something else has dropped down the priority list.

Plainfieldrob is correct that the thread has run its course, especially as I now see that you and kittredge went off-topic here to promote a so-called problem that was manufactured between the two of you.


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passionate about politics... (0.00 / 0)
...not passionate about the funding for his job.

That's the passion I had in mind Yinn.

Read Foster's letter and I think you'll find him a very effective communicator.

He's less effective talking politics because he's triangulating instead of speaking with any passion.


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He's a very effective communicator (0.00 / 0)
as a scientist because he did it for 22 years. He's less effective as a communicator in politics because he's only been doing it a few months. He's a fish out of water but that probably won't last forever.

Meanwhile, the mailer I got today with Patrick Murphy's endorsement removes all doubt about Iraq as THE priority. Murphy is the first and only Iraq vet in Congress. Foster worked on his campaign.


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I hear you, but... (0.00 / 0)
You realize Iraq remains issue number one on his webpage.  In fact, his statement on Iraq is straightforward, refreshingly mature and surprisingly dead-on given yesterdays collapse by Senate Democrats on the Iraq funding bill.  His grasp of the political realities of Washington seem even more relevant today and I suppose I owe you thanks for making me re-look at this issue.

After reading the letter myself, I can see why so many have donated to his campaign, and why so many notable people and organizations have endorsed him...in the case of the letter, he is demonstrating a knack for principled action if necessary.  I like that in a candidate... Plus Foster's inability to secure funding is classic political bureaucracy and again, isn't really germane to the larger issues.

And implying that working with his Congressman is somehow wrong simply because his Congressman was Republican is just the sort of political framing that independents and moderate Republicans reject out of hand.  

My guess is Iraq is still the most important issue, but it is closely followed by issues #2, 3, 4 and 5.  Making Iraq mutually exclusive to the other issues is a recipe for losing if you ask me.



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Bill Foster just called me (0.00 / 0)
We had a very nice extended conversation, in which he seemed genuinely interested in my opinions on a variety of relevant subjects. He certainly had no trouble communicating with me.

But then, in important ways I'm the same type of person as Bill Foster. So maybe this isn't exactly the point that Carl was addressing.

Bill Thomasson

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